Attack Speed Increase Skills? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.

It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid.

(By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.)

Div · Apr 02, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Um, excuse me? Frenzy can be used by anything X/W

No they can't. If they do, it's either a) they're retarded or b) they're just screwing around.

Hold on brb using frenzy on monk so I can take 400 damage lightning orbs.

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many many dervs run flail in pvp anyways.

For this it's even easier. It's a) they're retarded.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 02, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.

It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid.

(By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.)

Never said I was running frenzy on other classes. The whole point of saying "its suicidal" is just dumb. If you know what you are doing you wont get killed 15 times cause you have frenzy up all the time.

Flail in pvp yes only on a hammer warrior. But wait if you could re-read the OP never said just PVP.

Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.

Dark Kal · Apr 02, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.

You can just as easily use it on another melee class without being suicidal. What part of CANCEL STANCE do you not understand? Learn to play.

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It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid..

How many intelligent people do you come across playing GW? Seriously?

Jam Jar · Apr 02, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

You see, there's the stupid Warriors (with Healing Breeze and Mending on), and there's the smarter ones. The smarter ones use IAS.

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Never said I was running frenzy on other classes. The whole point of saying "its suicidal" is just dumb. If you know what you are doing you wont get killed 15 times cause you have frenzy up all the time.

Yet again, I will say, anyone smart will start going for you. Thus making your IAS useless at that point until there's only like 1 enemy anyway. Even AI isn't that dumb.

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Flail in pvp yes only on a hammer warrior. But wait if you could re-read the OP never said just PVP.

I was responding to Shoyon's post.

Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.[/QUOTE]

Weeeeelll...since I always use an RC Prot in GvG's yes. And it's only covered up by 1.
Kiting can also be good for it, but kiting a Ranger is hard anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

You can just as easily use it on another melee class without being suicidal. What part of CANCEL STANCE do you not understand? Learn to play.

Then that IAS would be wasted because you'll be focused in on 24/7. Again, even AI isn't that stupid.
Why are you using Frenzy on a x/W anyway? Learn to play.
I think before you try quoting me again you should look at Divine's post.

Sir Tidus · Apr 02, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

what are you talking about!!!!!

IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!

Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin

If you don't have NF, then no flail. Frenzy is a bit... you know, I don't quite get how people would use it (I know about the cancel stance, but wouldn't the enemies jump all over you as soon as you activate Frenzy? Plus canceling seems to me to be wasting your 5 energy used to activate Frenzy), I don't like it too much. I guess flurry is ok with a zealous mod to maintain it and FGJ to spam attack skills (since flurry doesn't decrease bonus damage).

Quaker · Apr 02, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.

vixro · Apr 02, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

I use IAS on every melee character and I use faster casting on casters.... Speed is essential and everyone I know of uses it. It's almost ESSENTIAL in pvp, though a little more varied in pve. Ignore the above post.

Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by vixro

I use IAS on every melee character and I use faster casting on casters.... Speed is essential and everyone I know of uses it. It's almost ESSENTIAL in pvp, though a little more varied in pve. Ignore the above post.

Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken.

Protective spirit requires 10 energy and protection prayers. Also, in PvE, you tend to fight mobs that outnumber you, so there should be more than one enemy attacking you, so you can't KD everyone.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.

I totally agree. I feel that flail is the only truely good IAS, that is if you have NF.

Tyla · Apr 03, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.

Any Warrior should bring an IAS. Period.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Any Warrior should bring an IAS. Period.

Even if you don't have NF for flail? Flurry needs lots of energy. Frenzy is not so hot in PvE where you fight giant mobs.

I D E L E T E D I · Apr 03, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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